What in the.......

[cornfedkiller]

For your information I bow hunt at MINIMUM 75 days of the season both Iowa,Minnesota,and Wisconsin..And I am a very very avid yote hunter as well... Just think its totally stupid that you guys find killing a yote that way so bad,when we do it in worse ways then that everytime we step into the woods with our bow and shoot at a deer. Especially if that deer is spined or shoulder shot...Sorry you guys COMPLETELY missed the piont here....

A few things..

1) We do worse than that everytime we step into the woods with our bow??? I believe that a well placed arrow probably causes a deer less pain than a gunshot. Yes, unfortunately spine and shoulder shots do happen, but I dont think that matters whether that occurs with a bow or gun..

2) I think the reason some people found this video to be a little disrespectful is because of the way they killed the animal. RidgeRunner made a good point..watching the animal try to claw and crawl its way to safety while the guy pulls on its leg and they all stand around laughing at it is a little uncalled for. Would shooting it inside the hole then pulling it out have been so hard? I dont think so..yet these guys felt the need to tug on its leg for a few minutes before killing it.

There is a big difference between me putting an arrow into a deer, possibly wounding it, but then trying to dispatch of it as quickly as I can, and wounding one and then dragging it around the woods for a couple minutes with my friends laughing about the way its trying to get away and trying to decide what way Im going to throw the thing before we kill it, I dont care what kind of animal it is...

[10_Points or better]

I do from time to time deal with people who think hunting is evil. I ask those people if they have ever watched an animal kill another animal, that can be something to watch. Either way killing is an act that induces pain, and suffering to a certain point. I have never met a bow hunter who does not desire a quick reduction to from running to tagged. Far less wasted kills by percentage in bow hunting than gun or other hunting.

[Mohawk 48]

Far less wasted kills by percentage in bow hunting than gun or other hunting. I would like to see that fact in some book..Here is a good question for you Cornfed ever have a family member seriously and permanently injured by a yote in broad daylight in city limits?? Ever see or hear of a whitetail do the same? Didnt think so..I have.

[cornfedkiller]

Far less wasted kills by percentage in bow hunting than gun or other hunting. I would like to see that fact in some book..Here is a good question for you Cornfed ever have a family member seriously and permanently injured by a yote in broad daylight in city limits?? Ever see or hear of a whitetail do the same? Didnt think so..I have.

No I have not (to either of those questions, and Im sorry to hear about your family member), but that means all coyotes should suffer? Why couldnt they just shoot it in the hole? I heard of someone getting mauled by a pit bull, does that mean that every pit pull should be wounded and then dragged and thrown around before being killed? No..I know the comparison is not the same, but Im just trying to make a point.

I am not against the killing of coyotes by any means, I didnt think there was anything wrong with them KILLING the coyote, but dont put yourself on youtube laughing over one suffering..that gives us a great image to the general public.

And Im still unsure what this has to do with the ethical killing of a deer, and how this relates to this at all...

[10_Points or better]

Corn, if your family was mauled by coyotes you would understand. I smell a troll.

[Northeastwibowhunter]

Far less wasted kills by percentage in bow hunting than gun or other hunting. I would like to see that fact in some book..Here is a good question for you Cornfed ever have a family member seriously and permanently injured by a yote in broad daylight in city limits?? Ever see or hear of a whitetail do the same? Didnt think so..I have.

Ok so you have had a bad experience with yotes before, i understand that. Nothing wrong with hunting for yotes. But......come on. Even if we didnt think that was wrong i guarantee the anti-hunter/bunny huggers wld. And do we really need to add fuel to that fire? I mean seriously to have done that, and have a laugh with ur friends, whatever thats thier deal, but to post it on youtube? Seriously unless some of us hunters get a little more between our ears, we may be saying goodbye to the sport before we realize it.

[Big8]

Great post Cornfedkiller and Northeastwibowhunter!!! You guys are doing a better job at explaining it than I did.

[buck1765]

I do understand where Mohawk is going with his comments. We all view the way we hunt as the right way and we all have different experiences. What I don't understand are the comments from some about focusing on this as a means of the anti's using it to take away our sport. Every time BOW HUNTERS bitch about gun hunters being drunken fools that shoot at anything or "Gun hunters wound more deer than bowhunters" it is doing the same thing. The anti's will use whatever they can. We all need to stick together. BTW I don't agree with them posting on U-tube, but I do commend them for dispatching a wounded animal (if it was) instead of letting it suffer.

[Bowhuntrben]

I'm with cornfedkiller on this one. I am not against the killing of the coyote. It was supposedly already wounded..and it definitely needed to be finished off, but laughing like a F-ing idiot and playing with the thing for that long before finally deciding where to throw it is unethical.
Also, comparing this to a bowhunter wounding a deer is just stupid. The difference in the situations...a bowhunter is trying to put themselves in the position to make the best shot possible. These "hunters" decided against that when they elected to catapult the coyote out of its den rather than take the first clean shot they could. By throwing the coyote rather than shooting it in its den, they put themselves in the position where they were less likely to make a clean kill..if even hit it at all. Nobody needs to see the animal clawing for its life. As a bowhunter and a gun hunter, I do not laugh at the killing of an animal. It is a sacred moment. You are taking a life, and that life should be respected, whatever animal it is.
If I would ever have a family member attacked by a coyote or deer, it would not change my view on the animals. You can't take one rare isolated incident to represent all animals of that species. It certainly doesn't change something from being wrong to being right. I admit that I may be more likely to want to shoot them, yes, but I would never do what these people did.
Hopefully the next time they try to pull something like this, they get what they deserve and the coyote attacks them.

[Northeastwibowhunter]

I do understand where Mohawk is going with his comments. We all view the way we hunt as the right way and we all have different experiences. What I don't understand are the comments from some about focusing on this as a means of the anti's using it to take away our sport. Every time BOW HUNTERS bitch about gun hunters being drunken fools that shoot at anything or "Gun hunters wound more deer than bowhunters" it is doing the same thing. The anti's will use whatever they can. We all need to stick together. BTW I don't agree with them posting on U-tube, but I do commend them for dispatching a wounded animal (if it was) instead of letting it suffer.

I totally agree with you on the argueing amongst ourselves. The antis will and have used that. I was merely saying that posting a video like this for millions to see is like waving a huge unethical flag above the hunting community. Now some people may say well thats a little extreme but all it takes is one yahoo who see its and makes a stink about it in the press and bam alot bigger deal. In a whole, us sportsman have to unite instead of bicker and seriously use our common sense when it comes to things like this video and the situation, in the way it was handled. Like i said before it happened and maybe down the road they wld look at that and think they shldve done something different, maybe not. But def dont put the damn thing on youtube.

[dubblebeard]

Ya know,right now some anti is sittin back and takin in all this and havin a field day! Not with the video but with the hunters arguing with each other! Was the video right to be put out so every one could see,maybe not? Assholes are like opinions! Everybody has one! The antis would love to see us hunters tear each other apart over just some thing like this! We dont know how this video started,did they wound the yote first and he went in that hole? And for me I cant see my self stickin my gun in a hole and touchin off a round!

[Northeastwibowhunter]

i think that vid raises a few more eyebrows than this convo